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Can someone explain to me why the Pope being a Jesuit is a controversy? I'm extremely confused, but have heard apparently that there's some sort of Papal/Jesuit split. Explanations?


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I will most likely add to the controversy and confusion but here goes. 

First of all, a Jesuit is not to seek such leadership positions, however, when asked to serve, they will step up to the challenge. They are to serve the Pope. Now one is, for the first time, a Pope.

Secondly, some people will consider that with the Black Pope, the leader of the Jesuit order, and the White Pope also a member of that same order, that will open the door to increased activity. Jesuits being the defenders of the faith world-wide. They are considered the military arm of the Pope. One thing I've read over and over is that a Jesuit has the duty to kill a me. Will we see the Holy See pressing ecumenism and pressuring governments to suppress those who oppose the Roman church and her laws.

Still others are offering dire warnings in regard to prophecies concerning Daniel 7, 8 and Revelation that have been moved aside and replaced with Preterism and Futurism. We can thank Cardinal Robert Bellarmine, a well known Jesuit apologists for our present day beliefs on Preterism. Our current beliefs on Futurism can be traced to Francisco Ribera a Jesuit doctor of theology. Interesting, huh?  Why hide the Little Horn and its works? Another topic someday.

Care to cite your sources, David?
@Ryan: not making a claim that it is a controversy, just have noticed several commentators making note that he's a Jesuit, as though it were a big deal. I was simply asking why it was a big deal or if this is a made up tension, I have no idea.

David A., I should've been more clear.  My comment was directed at David O.  Sometimes conversations can get off to the wrong foot when people make assertions without remotely seeking to back up their claims in reality.

Though it would be helpful for you to link to an article or somehow explain what controversy you're speaking of.  I can think of a handful of possible reasons you might be hearing something, but it's difficult to respond to your OP.

Perhaps I should clarify: I'm asking whether or not it is controversial/unexpected that he is a Jesuit, or if this creates some sort of tension. This is what has been implied by some people I've seen on TV/ a few articles I've read seem to paint it this way. Mohler, for example--who I strongly disagree with on just about everything, but who I nevertheless keep up with dependent upon what we thing he's saying--indicated this in an interview on Hugh Hewitt. I was simply curious.

I'm not sure what Mohler could mean.  Among Catholics, Jesuits educated in the 60s-70s gained a reputation as being far more willing to ignore and flat out contradict Church teaching.  Pope Francis represents something closer to what St. Ignatius of Loyola (founder of the Jesuits) intended — dedicated interior faith life, expressed daily through Christ Jesus on the street, faithful always to the Church.  But short of more context, I'm not sure how else to answer this thread.

My guess is that it is mostly hot air....

He is the first Jesuit and that is worth noting...As for the other issues that might be mentioned in regards to Jesuits...We have to remember two things. 

1)The vast majority of Cardinals that voted - are not Jesuit and they did not have a problem with him.  This would seem to speak volumes about his orthodoxy. 

2) He is the one that the Holy Spirit selected.

Given those two things, I think that the any supposed "controversy" is not worth worrying about. 



About 25 years ago I was in a discussion with a Franciscan friar and there was talk about the different orders. When the Jesuits were mentioned, the friar laughed and said that they were the Marine Corps of the Catholic church.

It's really no secret that the Jesuits have enormous influence throughout society but it's not entirely to the credit of the church or the order. Much of the persecution coming from the counter-reformation comes from the Jesuits.

My take on the new pope is that he'll play the nice guy up to make the Jesuits' image positive. Centuries of historical evidence tells us otherwise.

Foxe’s Book of Martyrs for one, perhaps?

Michael Ballai said:

My take on the new pope is that he'll play the nice guy up to make the Jesuits' image positive. Centuries of historical evidence tells us otherwise.

I thought I answered this. Must of not submitted it. Suffice to say that there is no lack of material on the interwebs one can reference for sources.

Ryan said:

Care to cite your sources, David?


Note how the rule says "The Church pronounce" and you substitute "the Pope". 

I cannot help but find this interesting.....

However - St Ignatius' rule here is nothing more than an affirmation of what we see in Mt 18:17.  The requirement that the individual submit humbly to the will of God as expressed through His Ekklesia - the Church. 

The wording is a bit hyperbolish...but the underling requirement of humility and submission to Christ's authority is evident.  If one feels he cannot do this, then it is obvious that he is not called to be a Jesuit. 



Interesting George. Is it your understanding that we are only called to submission when we agree with Whom we are in submission to?

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