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Permalink Reply by Harry on November 19, 2008 at 7:30pm James, I think the distinction between 'Assisting' the Spirit and 'Cooperating' with him is unhelpful, pastorally.
What does that mean- practically.
Seems to me to be just another yoke to carry.
Why not just buffet my body and make it my slave, lest possibly, after I have preached to others, I myself should be disqualified.
It seem to me that the problem isn't in the degree of exertion, the problem is in believing God loves you because you've finally become lovable.
What has been designated Progressive sanctification takes both work and discipline.
Carl, in Romans, Paul says we'll be judged by our own works.
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We've not completely 'received the free gift of salvation' until we are totally remade in the image of Christ.' Is it possible that in an attempt to emphasis the forensic guilt that comes with sinfulness, you've forgotten the abhorant misery and evil of being sinful?
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Permalink Reply by JRKH on June 9, 2010 at 12:56pm Salvation is of the Lord. 100 percent.
So is sanctification. 100 percent.
Just as fruit is evidence of salvation (not currency toward it), so is fruit in the life of a believer the evidence that the Spirit of God is working at one’s sanctification (not currency toward it).
There are two problems one can encounter by “trying” too hard to be sanctified. One can resist the Spirit, which leads to carnality. Or one can try to assist the Spirit, which leads to legalism. The proper thing to do is to cooperate with the Spirit. Of course, this is almost impossible to do by our own will. To resist or to assist is sin (missing the mark). But it is sin that is forgiven under the blood of Christ.
Eventually, we will be perfect. I can’t wait!
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Permalink Reply by dutch on June 13, 2010 at 9:36pm Dave, forgive me in advance. I'm going to be nitpicky. I think you may be a little confused with the Greek and Latin there...Also, I don't see your point about the supposed relation between meritum and meros...
Concerning "deeds worthy of repentance..." axios is concerned with what is fitting or proper; I'm doubtful that it would naturally bring to mind the idea of merit.The word "worthy" is synomous with "meritorious." So the passage can be alternatively translated "works meritorious of repentence." We are called upon by God to do such worthy deeds, yet many Christians, especially in Protestant circles, are reluctant to describe any of our works as being "worthy" or "meritorious" in a supernatural sense.
Perhaps deeds worthy of repentance = penitent behavior.I agree. I think this entails the "good work" which is described as the "obedience of faith" (Rom 1:5; 16:26), or "faith cooperating (Gk sunergeo) with works" (James 2:22), or else it cannot rightly be called "worthy." Only by loving Christ above all, and by take up our cross and following Him (Matt 10:37-38) can we be called "worthy."
Permalink Reply by Ryan O'Neil on June 15, 2010 at 11:13pm
Permalink Reply by JRKH on June 16, 2010 at 9:40am If I understand this correctly, seeds don't grow unless a planter (like you or me) plants. That doesn't automatically mean it'll grow, though. God sends rain. It's up to him. But at the same time, you don't reap unless you sow. But, you know, it's God's choice to send rain or not. So it's still ultimately up to him.
Ryan O'Neil said:Earning anything from God can only be understood as getting a free gift from God's grace, and not an obligation.
because the one who sows for his flesh will reap corruption from the flesh, but the one who sows for the spirit will reap eternal life from the spirit. Let us not grow tired of doing good, for in due time we shall reap our harvest, if we do not give up. (Gal 6:8-9)
I understand, however Merriam-Webster disagrees with you.I don't think "worthy" and "meritorious" are synonymous.
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