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Perhaps the term "loving submission" would be better. I heard that used by a Melkite (eastern Catholic) once... That sounds a lot less pejorative I think :-)
Damian
Thanks for the response! There are many things in this posting I completely agree with and sound very 'reformed' in nature ;-)
So can I deduce that as an eastern Christian access to revelation would be based on submission of the intellect to the ...
Let me give this a shot.
First, let me contrast what I used to believe vs. what I believe now. Let me stress, I am not stating what all protestants now believe, just what I used to believe.
I used to have this very "efficient" theological, 2-lan...
Damian, Sorry for the delay, I have a bunch a family coming in and the warden has me on work detail. I'll try to get a good response soon.
I left out those who deny special revelation since it's not a Christian view and I'm speaking to and looking for Christian opinions on this website Jack.
Damian
Damian; You left out a category of religion: Materialism, which attribute all natural revelation to "Chance", or "Evolution" the other mame for their religion. And, of course, they deny all "special Revelation".
Hi Thomas,
Thanks for your response! I'm not really getting at "interpretation" persay, even though that would come into play, but more how is that revelation or interpretation accessed? In other words how do you even GET to the point of being ab...
I'd have to say that we (EO) don't really interpret scripture through the human reason as our reasoning is jaded. We have interpreted through the Church as that is not jaded.
I know what you mean about our brother Hahn. :-)
Jennifer,
I'll try to rephrase.
General Revelation - Knowledge of the creator God that is universally accessed by humanity (nature, conscience, etc.) All would agree however that General Revelation can do nothing but condemn humanity further for...
Phil,
Thanks for the recommendation! I have read some of Hahn's stuff in the past and have not been a big fan. But when you have endorsements from the likes of Packer, Horton, et al, that's impressive.
Thanks!
Damian
I'm just starting into Scott Hahn's new book on Benedict's biblical theology- Covenant and Communion. It's really impressive.
Most of the bishop's thought is in direct relation to his understanding of scripture/word.
Some evangelical endorsement...
Damain; I'm not offended, but the statement: "...accessed by human reason", could be interpreted as "rationalistic". I called it a side-note, I was attempting to add clarification, not to change the subject or looking for an argument. Grace and lo...
Not sure what you are asking Damian
Thank you Harry and Jack for your participation but do either of you have anything to add to the actually question? I would like to hear from some Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox Christians on this issue. Perhaps you two could start a new thre...
Harry; The word 'evangelical' has ceased to have it's original meaning, evidenced by the wide, wide swath of "believers"that the term includes.
For me, I prefer to stay outside the EV camp, and suffer reproach with the Fundamentalists.
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- 38 years old. New Hampshire, USA. Married. No children. Librarian at the Massachusetts College of Art and Design.
- How would you describe yourself theologically?
- Reformed but the Roman Catholics and Eastern Orthodox are great! And they have a lot of good points.
- Who is the greatest theologian in the last 2000 years? (Besides Biblical People!)
- Augustine, Anselm, Calvin, Barth
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- At 9:02am on September 16, 2009,
joanne guarnieri said… - Wow, you are really a good man, "Not you, but Christ," as the apostle Paul would have said. May God bless you for the "drink of cool water" you offered one of Christ's own
- At 10:18am on September 7, 2009,
joanne guarnieri said…
- Important inclusion, there, of Augustine's full remarks!
Agreed, blameless can't mean sinless, and it is egregious error to presume that the sin that can't be forgiven would be any sin for which the repentant sinner is repenting!!
Not having been there, I can only assume that the clergy wanting to resume their roles were either repentant of what the rest of the church viewed as sin, or they were confident in an action they felt that God had sanctioned after they had prayed about it. I can't judge any of it from this distance.
But - and I am not defending the Donatists! - it does still seem that the church did a lot of burning of Christians at the stake because they did not heed the party line. This is what the extremist Muslims do today.
It is, in fact, and I am grieved to see it, what Christians are still doing to each other, just leaving out the burning-at-the-stake part, by crying heretic, blasphemy and so on for everybody who does not line up with that particular systematic theology.
If we recognized only the Lord Jesus Christ as the human Head, recognized only the Bible as the measurement of truth (agreeing that we all will have many takes on what the Bible is saying, but it would rule out a lot of extra stuff brought in by other tradition) and we yielded only to our own local elders, that would pretty much take the wind out of the sails of the heresy hunters. At least that is my Pollyanna hope.
- At 8:25am on September 7, 2009,
joanne guarnieri said…
- Totally wow. Your command of church history is beyond impressive.
When you brought in those details about the Donatists I could see why the source I was working with mentioned them, although the emphasis for them was more about holiness than it was about being born again, it seems.
Actually, in reading Augustine's summation, I realized that it was not scriptural! He went entirely against what Paul said should be the rule for elders, who WERE supposed to be holy men.
Interesting, huh?
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