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Limited Atonement

The formula "sufficient for all, efficient for the elect" is standardized terminology as it was found used by Lombard in his Sentences, which served as the basis (together with the Vulgate and its ...

Replied Nov 23

Limited Atonement
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Is the doctrine of Limited/Particular/Definite Atonement, in our view, retained by those who teach that the Atonement was sufficient for the sins of the whole world but efficient for the sins of th...

Started this discussion. Last reply by Kim Nov 24.

second birthday celebrations

My Birthday is today november 17th - I am now 50 - The date of my regeneration ( Sept 21st 1979)

Replied Nov 18

Paedo vs Credo: Main point of contention?

Baptism also relates to ceremonial cleansing in the OT, and paedobaptists view our children as being in need of this sign of being ceremonially clean. By virtue of being the children of believers, ...

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Well, I think what you are doing Tony is extremely important. The trickle down effect of what is discussed and excepted in higher levels of thought and theology, that would make the average pew sitters head spin, is what will eventually be taught ...
on Tuesday
Here is the truth: The deliberately vague Dortian language on sufficiency is an inadequate bandage covering a festering sore in Reformed theology and history. Some want to pretend like the sore is not really there [or dismiss it as a mere petty, h...
on Tuesday
Robert said:
on Monday
The formula "sufficient for all, efficient for the elect" is standardized terminology as it was found used by Lombard in his Sentences, which served as the basis (together with the Vulgate and its glosses) for all theology in the Middle Ages, and ...
on Monday
Robert, It seems your OP is leaning toward what Tony more fully laid out in his reply. You haven't commented on your own post yet so I'm wondering, what you are thinking about the subject ?
on Monday
Hey Tony! Wow, smokin' reply! :)
November 21
Jesse Wisnewski and robert brown are now friends
November 21
No wonder that there is a divide between Lutherans and Calvinist, RC and EO.
November 21
Hi Robert, The Dortian statements on the extent of Christ's death were deliberately left vague enough to allow for differences among the Reformed, but specific enough to reject the Remonstrant position. The British and Bremen delegates were among...
November 21
I guess this answers the question, right?
November 20
U no bad, PJ.
November 20
Ahhh... my mistake was in assuming your remark fit the actual conversation on purpose. You must have some sort of Infinite Improbability Drive generating your remarks. :-) No really. I see your point. My bad.
November 20
Yeah, well...not to put too fine a point on it (pun almost not intended...), Phil, but who says I was responding solo Philippo "to Phil alone" when I pointed out that getting onto what Calvin did or did not believe was irrelevant to the question p...
November 20
Kay everyone I have a moral dilemma. Do I tell Marv I laughed REAL HARD at his comment, or kill him? Tertium quid: do both.
November 20
I didn't know your name was Charm, but I knew it was a charm. Only thing that kept me safe from some vampires the other night was invoking Char. Scared 'em silly.
November 20
Which illustrates my point that it’s arbitrary to limit Calvinism to the models of Westminster/Dordt’s, since there are Calvinists who find them unhelpfully nebulous (the sufficiency question) and others who operate with a different model altogeth...
November 20

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My only comfort is that with body and soul, both in life and death, I am not my own but belong to my faithful Savior, Jesus Christ : To enjoy this comfort I must know three things: (1) that my sin and misery are veary great, (2) that Jesus Christ redeems me from my sin, (3) that in gratitude I am daily striving to do the perfect will of God. Although my works and deeds are not perfect and there still remains in me indwelling sin. I look and hope upon the perfect work of my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, the son of God. The Son of God is called Christ, the Anointed One, because He is ordained by God the Father and anointed with the Holy Spirit, to be our chief Prophet, our only High Priest, and our eternal King. As Prophet, Christ reveals to us the counsel and will of God for our redemption. As Priest, Christ sacrificed Himself for us and makes continuel intercession for us with the Father. As King, Christ rules by His Word and Spirit and defends and preserves us in our salvation.
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The Five Points of Calvinism

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This system of theology was reaffirmed by the Synod of Dordt in 1619 as the doctrine of salvation contained in the Holy Scriptures. The system was at that time formulated into "five points" in answer to the unscriptural five points submitted by the Arminians to the Church of Holland in 1610.

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According to Calvinism:
Salvation is accomplished by the almighty power of the triune God. The Father chose a people, the Son died for them, the Holy Spirit makes Christ's death effective by bringing the elect to faith and repentance, thereby causing them to willingly obey the Gospel. The entire process (election, redemption, regeneration) is the work of God and is by grace alone. Thus God, not man, determines who will be the recipients of the gift of salvation.


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The Five Points of Calvinism are easily remembered by the acrostic TULIP
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An Estimate of:
• Calvin's Character - A must read!
• Calvin's Work
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• The Closing Scenes of Calvin's Life
• The Will of John Calvin
• Calvin's Commentaries

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Total Depravity (Total Inability)
Total Depravity is probably the most misunderstood tenet of Calvinism. When Calvinists speak of humans as "totally depraved," they are making an extensive, rather than an intensive statement. The effect of the fall upon man is that sin has extended to every part of his personality -- his thinking, his emotions, and his will. Not necessarily that he is intensely sinful, but that sin has extended to his entire being.

The unregenerate (unsaved) man is dead in his sins (Romans 5:12). Without the power of the Holy Spirit, the natural man is blind and deaf to the message of the gospel (Mark 4:11f). This is why Total Depravity has also been called "Total Inability." The man without a knowledge of God will never come to this knowledge without God's making him alive through Christ (Ephesians 2:1-5).


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Unconditional Election
Unconditional Election is the doctrine which states that God chose those whom he was pleased to bring to a knowledge of himself, not based upon any merit shown by the object of his grace and not based upon his looking forward to discover who would "accept" the offer of the gospel. God has elected, based solely upon the counsel of his own will, some for glory and others for damnation (Romans 9:15,21). He has done this act before the foundations of the world (Ephesians 1:4-8).

This doctrine does not rule out, however, man's responsibility to believe in the redeeming work of God the Son (John 3:16-18). Scripture presents a tension between God's sovereignty in salvation, and man's responsibility to believe which it does not try to resolve. Both are true -- to deny man's responsibility is to affirm an unbiblical hyper-calvinism; to deny God's sovereignty is to affirm an unbiblical Arminianism.

The elect are saved unto good works (Ephesians 2:10). Thus, though good works will never bridge the gulf between man and God that was formed in the Fall, good works are a result of God's saving grace. This is what Peter means when he admonishes the Christian reader to make his "calling" and "election" sure (2 Peter 1:10). Bearing the fruit of good works is an indication that God has sown seeds of grace in fertile soil.


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Limited Atonement (Particular Redemption)
Limited Atonement is a doctrine offered in answer to the question, "for whose sins did Christ atone?" The Bible teaches that Christ died for those whom God gave him to save (John 17:9). Christ died, indeed, for many people, but not all (Matthew 26:28). Specifically, Christ died for the invisible Church -- the sum total of all those who would ever rightly bear the name "Christian" (Ephesians 5:25).

This doctrine often finds many objections, mostly from those who think that Limited Atonement does damage to evangelism. We have already seen that Christ will not lose any that the father has given to him (John 6:37). Christ's death was not a death of potential atonement for all people. Believing that Jesus' death was a potential, symbolic atonement for anyone who might possibly, in the future, accept him trivializes Christ's act of atonement. Christ died to atone for specific sins of specific sinners. Christ died to make holy the church. He did not atone for all men, because obviously all men are not saved. Evangelism is actually lifted up in this doctrine, for the evangelist may tell his congregation that Christ died for sinners, and that he will not lose any of those for whom he died!


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Irresistible Grace
The result of God's Irresistible Grace is the certain response by the elect to the inward call of the Holy Spirit, when the outward call is given by the evangelist or minister of the Word of God. Christ, himself, teaches that all whom God has elected will come to a knowledge of him (John 6:37). Men come to Christ in salvation when the Father calls them (John 6:44), and the very Spirit of God leads God's beloved to repentance (Romans 8:14). What a comfort it is to know that the gospel of Christ will penetrate our hard, sinful hearts and wondrously save us through the gracious inward call of the Holy Spirit (I Peter 5:10)!


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Perseverance of the Saints
Perseverance of the Saints is a doctrine which states that the saints (those whom God has saved) will remain in God's hand until they are glorified and brought to abide with him in heaven. Romans 8:28-39 makes it clear that when a person truly has been regenerated by God, he will remain in God's stead. The work of sanctification which God has brought about in his elect will continue until it reaches its fulfillment in eternal life (Phil. 1:6). Christ assures the elect that he will not lose them and that they will be glorified at the "last day" (John 6:39). The Calvinist stands upon the Word of God and trusts in Christ's promise that he will perfectly fulfill the will of the Father in saving all the elect.


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partial vs. full preterist

partial vs. full preterist

a semi-standard definition Orthodox vs. Unorthodox are good prefixes.

The fundamental difference between the two is that the Orthodox affirm that Jesus will come bodily and that the resurrection is of the body, understood as being the physical body you have, much like Christ's self-same body entered the tomb and came out again.

Within Orthodox Preterists there are differences in understanding a division in Mt. 24:36+ to the rest of the discourse, so some may see Mt.… Continue

Posted on October 21, 2009 at 6:11pm — 2 Comments

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I cant belive I fell into this trap!

So our electric company sent me a flyer to recieve light bulbs for free. Well I went to the designated Lowes, And the place was a mad house. Thay had a guitar guy playen "some we love Obama", thay had this " Improve your energy cost by putting in a wimdmill in your own back yard." And there was a gentleman telling me what kind of toilet I should get. And to top it all off, most of the stuff was sponsord by Acorn. Ahhhhhhh I cant belive it. But then I rememberd I had some Gideon bibles in my trun… Continue

Posted on October 5, 2009 at 1:45am — 4 Comments

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And we Know that we are of God.

And we know that we are of God' (1st John 5:19) When God made us a believer, He ment to try us; and when He gave these promises and askes us to trust them, He gave such promisis as are suitable for times of tempest and tossing. Luther said 'if he had not seen Christ at the helm, I would have abandon ship long ago.' God perfects us thrugh our trials and tribulation, He shows us our want for Him. "God is not slack consening His promises." ..

Go to the deeps of God’s promise;
And claim whatsoever… Continue

Posted on September 29, 2009 at 11:32am —

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At 4:27pm on November 18, 2009, joan elizabeth mazzu said…
happy birthday Robert!
At 2:38pm on November 17, 2009, Jack said…
Hapy Birthday Robert! Enjoy it, 'cuz it'll be a whole year til you get another one. :-)
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At 5:49am on September 2, 2009, Char said…
Robert you're a descendant of Roy Brown? That's cool.
At 10:05am on August 31, 2009, Toto Paulme said…
mabuti naman po, salamat!
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